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Sunday, July 06, 2008
PAY PAL Counterfeit SCANDAL Liquitity / LIQUIDATION.COM eBay CONSPIRACY REVEALED
BREAKING eBAY NEWS –
If you are at all familiar with eBay you MUST read this article. It will truly knock your socks off and I’m proud to be the first to break this news, thanks to my most awesome insider sources.
So we all know there’s been a lot of problems with eBay, Pay Pal (owned by eBay), the monopoly, and the selling of knock off goods – BUT get this, Pay Pal was just caught red handed in the biggest scandal of the decade –
Everyone is aware that fraudulent sellers are able to list knock off, counterfeit goods on eBay. According to policy their not *supposed* to list these items, but if they are able to fly under the radar during the duration of their listing they can get away with it.
BUT, here’s the crazy part – what happens when the buyer finds out the product is a fake? What we have been told is that Pay Pal plays Superman and comes to the rescue quicker than you can say “Kryptonite”…however, this is far from the case…very, very far… and thousands of eBayers have all ready experienced the scary reality of this straight-out-of-a-novel scandal.
It’s a rainy Sunday afternoon. You’re sitting at your PC surfing eBay for a new Louie Vuitton hand bag and you spot the purse of your dreams. It retails for $4,000 but you’re able to get it for $1,000. You cringe at the thought of spending a grand on a hand bag, but after all, you have worked so hard and saved your pennies – you deserve it. After all, the bag comes with the "original paperwork" thus proving it's authentic.
A week later your bag shows up. You immediately realize that a few things don’t seem right. The interior stitching looks different from your other Louie’s. You contact the seller who assures you the purse is legit. But this doesn’t allow you to be at peace. So you take your LV into a specialist and pay $100 for your bag to be Authenticicated. The specialist then confirms your worst nightmare – you spent $1,000on a FAKE. The paperwork is indeed for a Louie bag, but it isn't for YOUR Louie bag! The seller bought a new Louie and bought a fake. They *kindly* mailed you the knock off along with the authentic papers.
You rush home and write the seller again, demanding your money back and the monies you spent to have it evaluated…
Days pass, no response. You then write to Pay Pal, explaining the situation. You inform Pay Pal you have had this bag reviewed by an expert and you have the cold, hard evidence that you were taken for a ride – a very pricy ride, at that.
The response you receive from Pay Pal is nothing like what you would have expected –
Pay Pal requests that *if* you want your money back you will need to send your purse to a warehouse in Texas, where it can be DESTROYED. But do not mark the bag. Bag must be in ORIGINAL CONDITION. The address to ship “returns” to is:
PayPal Returns
12750 Perimeter Dr Suite 154
Dallas, TX 75228
Destroyed? But what if you don’t get your money back and you need to take this matter to court – your only evidence is gone!
Not being an idiot, you decide to do some research, and you quickly realize that the “warehouse” is actually a LIQUIDATOR…who sells THESE ITEMS…on a website called Liquitity.com AND EBAY. See below for address:
Liquidity Services
12750 Perimeter road
Dallas, Tx
972-232-1300
AND, as if that isn’t crazy enough, According to this article, http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_pwwi/is_200306/ai_mark2200282099, Liquidity (AKA LIQUIDATION.COM) is ranked as Paypal's (AKA EBAY’s) #1 bulk source for inventory!!!
And if that’s not enough to blow you away get this –
It is totally ILLEGAL, under ALL circumstances to MAIL counterfeit products – even IF they are being sent ANYWHERE to be DESTORYED.
And here’s where the story continues –
So you decide to contact the FBI and you discover you have hit another brick wall. The FBI doesn’t get involved in cases unless the assets in question are of valued worth totaling $20,000 or more. So your $1,000 purse is irrelevant to them.
You’re now at a loss. You can illegally ship your bag to Texas and you’ll be throwing your court case out the window in *hopes* of possibly recuperating something or you can hold onto your fake and…well…hold onto your fake.
SCENARIO #1 - So you decide to play the game. You very discretely “mark” your purse then ship it off. Not more than two weeks later you see your SAME BAG appear on iSoldIt.com!!! In the meantime, Pay Pal has taken the funds from the seller (reversal of funds) and repaid you for your loss (hopefully. They can “adjust” the total at their discretion). And even though this bag is a fake, eBay has collected over $150 in listing and closing fees. Then Pay Pal resells the bag, making another $1,000. You are still out $100 that was paid to inspect the purse.
TOTAL PROFIT OFF YOUR LOSS BETWEEN PAY PAL AND EBAY: $1,150+
SELLER LOSS: - $150+
YOUR LOSS: -$100 (plus all the time and headache!)
SCENARIO #2 – You ship the bag back. Weeks pass. No refund. You make call after call and send email after email. Finally you get a response from Pay Pal, “PayPal regrets any inconvenience you may have experienced. After reviewing this claim we have found in favor of the seller. Thank you for your consideration in this matter. Please consider this when leaving feedback.”
WTF? Are you serious?! So now I’m out $1,100 AND a knock off bag?! And there’s NOTHING I can do? I can’t go to court because I gave away my evidence. I can’t find the seller because they’re no longer a registered user! I can’t go to the police or the FBI. I’m S.O.L!!”
SCENARIO #3 – You keep your $1,000 knock off and say “oh well.”
SCENARIO #4 – You join the fight.
****IF YOU HAVE HAD THIS HAPPEN TO YOU, please help get the FBI involved. If we can rally and prove that people HAVE been taken for $20,000, the FBI will step in. I will post an update as soon as my sources get back to me with direct contact info.
FYI – There WAS a thread started in the eBay/Pay Pal forums in regards to this issue and why counterfeits were being sent to Liquidity.com. It was PULLED due to the following reasons:
-the initial post in the thread was in violation of our Board Usage Policy.
-the member that started the thread has requested that it be removed.
-the thread expired due to inactivity"
Wow. The scandal is INCREDIBLE, isn’t it?
MORE INFO ABOUT Liquitity / LIQUIDATION.COM:
LSI enables its corporate and government sellers to enhance their financial return on excess assets by providing a liquid marketplace and value-added services that integrate sales and marketing, logistics and transaction settlement into a single offering. Through our seller relationships, LSI's marketplaces provide over 892,000 registered professional buyers access to a global, organized supply of wholesale, surplus and salvage assets in over 500 product categories. In the past five fiscal years, LSI has conducted over 800,000 online transactions generating approximately $670 million in gross merchandise value.
LSI has developed and deployed highly successful online sales programs on a significant scale for clients — including large corporations and government agencies--to maximize the market reach and recovery value of surplus assets in a timely manner.
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If you are at all familiar with eBay you MUST read this article. It will truly knock your socks off and I’m proud to be the first to break this news, thanks to my most awesome insider sources.
So we all know there’s been a lot of problems with eBay, Pay Pal (owned by eBay), the monopoly, and the selling of knock off goods – BUT get this, Pay Pal was just caught red handed in the biggest scandal of the decade –
Everyone is aware that fraudulent sellers are able to list knock off, counterfeit goods on eBay. According to policy their not *supposed* to list these items, but if they are able to fly under the radar during the duration of their listing they can get away with it.
BUT, here’s the crazy part – what happens when the buyer finds out the product is a fake? What we have been told is that Pay Pal plays Superman and comes to the rescue quicker than you can say “Kryptonite”…however, this is far from the case…very, very far… and thousands of eBayers have all ready experienced the scary reality of this straight-out-of-a-novel scandal.
It’s a rainy Sunday afternoon. You’re sitting at your PC surfing eBay for a new Louie Vuitton hand bag and you spot the purse of your dreams. It retails for $4,000 but you’re able to get it for $1,000. You cringe at the thought of spending a grand on a hand bag, but after all, you have worked so hard and saved your pennies – you deserve it. After all, the bag comes with the "original paperwork" thus proving it's authentic.
A week later your bag shows up. You immediately realize that a few things don’t seem right. The interior stitching looks different from your other Louie’s. You contact the seller who assures you the purse is legit. But this doesn’t allow you to be at peace. So you take your LV into a specialist and pay $100 for your bag to be Authenticicated. The specialist then confirms your worst nightmare – you spent $1,000on a FAKE. The paperwork is indeed for a Louie bag, but it isn't for YOUR Louie bag! The seller bought a new Louie and bought a fake. They *kindly* mailed you the knock off along with the authentic papers.
You rush home and write the seller again, demanding your money back and the monies you spent to have it evaluated…
Days pass, no response. You then write to Pay Pal, explaining the situation. You inform Pay Pal you have had this bag reviewed by an expert and you have the cold, hard evidence that you were taken for a ride – a very pricy ride, at that.
The response you receive from Pay Pal is nothing like what you would have expected –
Pay Pal requests that *if* you want your money back you will need to send your purse to a warehouse in Texas, where it can be DESTROYED. But do not mark the bag. Bag must be in ORIGINAL CONDITION. The address to ship “returns” to is:
PayPal Returns
12750 Perimeter Dr Suite 154
Dallas, TX 75228
Destroyed? But what if you don’t get your money back and you need to take this matter to court – your only evidence is gone!
Not being an idiot, you decide to do some research, and you quickly realize that the “warehouse” is actually a LIQUIDATOR…who sells THESE ITEMS…on a website called Liquitity.com AND EBAY. See below for address:
Liquidity Services
12750 Perimeter road
Dallas, Tx
972-232-1300
AND, as if that isn’t crazy enough, According to this article, http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_pwwi/is_200306/ai_mark2200282099, Liquidity (AKA LIQUIDATION.COM) is ranked as Paypal's (AKA EBAY’s) #1 bulk source for inventory!!!
And if that’s not enough to blow you away get this –
It is totally ILLEGAL, under ALL circumstances to MAIL counterfeit products – even IF they are being sent ANYWHERE to be DESTORYED.
And here’s where the story continues –
So you decide to contact the FBI and you discover you have hit another brick wall. The FBI doesn’t get involved in cases unless the assets in question are of valued worth totaling $20,000 or more. So your $1,000 purse is irrelevant to them.
You’re now at a loss. You can illegally ship your bag to Texas and you’ll be throwing your court case out the window in *hopes* of possibly recuperating something or you can hold onto your fake and…well…hold onto your fake.
SCENARIO #1 - So you decide to play the game. You very discretely “mark” your purse then ship it off. Not more than two weeks later you see your SAME BAG appear on iSoldIt.com!!! In the meantime, Pay Pal has taken the funds from the seller (reversal of funds) and repaid you for your loss (hopefully. They can “adjust” the total at their discretion). And even though this bag is a fake, eBay has collected over $150 in listing and closing fees. Then Pay Pal resells the bag, making another $1,000. You are still out $100 that was paid to inspect the purse.
TOTAL PROFIT OFF YOUR LOSS BETWEEN PAY PAL AND EBAY: $1,150+
SELLER LOSS: - $150+
YOUR LOSS: -$100 (plus all the time and headache!)
SCENARIO #2 – You ship the bag back. Weeks pass. No refund. You make call after call and send email after email. Finally you get a response from Pay Pal, “PayPal regrets any inconvenience you may have experienced. After reviewing this claim we have found in favor of the seller. Thank you for your consideration in this matter. Please consider this when leaving feedback.”
WTF? Are you serious?! So now I’m out $1,100 AND a knock off bag?! And there’s NOTHING I can do? I can’t go to court because I gave away my evidence. I can’t find the seller because they’re no longer a registered user! I can’t go to the police or the FBI. I’m S.O.L!!”
SCENARIO #3 – You keep your $1,000 knock off and say “oh well.”
SCENARIO #4 – You join the fight.
****IF YOU HAVE HAD THIS HAPPEN TO YOU, please help get the FBI involved. If we can rally and prove that people HAVE been taken for $20,000, the FBI will step in. I will post an update as soon as my sources get back to me with direct contact info.
FYI – There WAS a thread started in the eBay/Pay Pal forums in regards to this issue and why counterfeits were being sent to Liquidity.com. It was PULLED due to the following reasons:
-the initial post in the thread was in violation of our Board Usage Policy.
-the member that started the thread has requested that it be removed.
-the thread expired due to inactivity"
Wow. The scandal is INCREDIBLE, isn’t it?
MORE INFO ABOUT Liquitity / LIQUIDATION.COM:
LSI enables its corporate and government sellers to enhance their financial return on excess assets by providing a liquid marketplace and value-added services that integrate sales and marketing, logistics and transaction settlement into a single offering. Through our seller relationships, LSI's marketplaces provide over 892,000 registered professional buyers access to a global, organized supply of wholesale, surplus and salvage assets in over 500 product categories. In the past five fiscal years, LSI has conducted over 800,000 online transactions generating approximately $670 million in gross merchandise value.
LSI has developed and deployed highly successful online sales programs on a significant scale for clients — including large corporations and government agencies--to maximize the market reach and recovery value of surplus assets in a timely manner.
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Wow, Tori! This is huge. It's post like this that prove you really are trying to do your best to protect your readers from scams of all kinds, and this one is totally HUGE! I can't belive it, I think somehow this can turn into a huge lawsuit because they are breaking the law in SO many ways! As if they don't make enough money, this is just plain GREED! Thank you, Tori...not like I would ever even spend 200 bucks on a bag, but it's eye opening and makes me rethink having anything to do with ebay, paypal or anyting else, I am just totally furious with the whole thing!
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http://answercenter.ebay.com/thread.jspa?threadID=900143087&mod=1215372990818
Hurry before the nazis remove it!
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EBAY/PAYPAL COUNTERFEIT RING
PLEASE READ, IT PRACTICALLY SHOWS THAT EBAY IS INVOLVED!
OK, tell me if this is all, just a coincidence.
The 2 girls, on these 2 message board threads:
http://forum.purseblog.com/ebay-forum/paypal-wants-the-fake-chanel-309773.html
AND
http://forum.purseblog.com/ebay-forum/illegal-mail-counterfeit-items-using-us-postal-service-314559.html
Received fake/knock off items, bought from Ebay. Both were told to send the items to the following address, where they would be ''destroyed''.
Paypal Returns
12750 Perimeter Drive Suite 154
Dallas TX 75228
One girl asked, since it was being destroyed, could they write ''FAKE'' all over it, just so that it was never resold. They were told ''NO'', that it MUST be in the same condition, as it came.
One of the girls happened to look up the address and realized that it belonged to a company named, Liquidity Services Inc.
Liquidity Services inc., is a business surplus reseller. Is ebay giving these buyers a refund, from the sellers account and then taking over ownership of the item and reselling it, for profit, when it is supposed to be destroyed? The website that this company resells from is called http://www.liquidation.com/index.html
This is an email, that one girl got from Paypal, when she filed her claim:
=======================================
A refund on this transaction will be awarded to you once the item, in its original condition, is shipped to the following address:
PayPal Returns
12750 Perimeter Dr Suite 154
Dallas, TX 75228
Attn: Buyer Protection Claims - #PP-************
Make sure to include your case number in the address above.
NOW I'M IN THAT PURSE BLOG AND THIS IS WHAT I POSTED (A question about her email):
Dragonlady, where it says
"Attn: Buyer Protection Claims - #PP-************"
How many numbers, is that PP#? (this will be brought up, farther down)
I was doing a little investigting last night. I went to liquidation.com and was just looking around. I did a blank search and chose the Dallas, TX location, since this is where Paypal is telling people to ship. I also chose ''returns'', for the item condition, to only bring up the returned items.
I noticed several sellers, that sell a LOT of stuff there, so....
On a whim, I decided to see if any of those names, matched up with ebay ID's and this is what I found.
Liquidation.com Seller (Onlinereturns), There just happens to be an ebay seller named ''Onlinereturns''. Lets check their feedback, on toolhaus.org:
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=onlinereturns&Dirn=Received+by
Ok, that must just be a coincidence, this guy is selling FAKE stuff and is now naru'd (Not a registered user).
NEXT:
Liquidation.com Seller (Techexcess) Wow, there is an ebay member, with the same name, as well. Let's check their feedback:
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=techexcess
Hmmm,
Must be another coincidence, that this person is selling all kinds of used/broken junk! (Ebay returns?)
Liquidation.com Seller (ReturnsManager) Out of a feedback score of 18, 10 of them were negs/neuts and they are now naru'd, from ripping people off:
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=returnsmanager
Are all these, just coincidental? Surely they wouldn't use the same name on ebay, would they?
I then typed in Vuitton on the resellers website and chose Dallas as well and came up with this:
http://web.liquidation.com/auction/search?submit=Search&cmd=keyword&words=vuitton&warehouse_id=1&condition_RET=1
If you click on the 4th title down, it takes you here:
http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/view?id=1536075&convertTo=USD
Click on the ''view manifest'' link, next to ''quantity in lot''.
you will get this: http://www.liquidation.com/aucimg/1536/m1536075.html
Notice to the fair right, under notes...what are these numbers? That per chance could not be the ''PayPal case #'' that they were TOLD to include, would it? No way, couldn't be. They would not be that stupid, would they?
You can also look at each pic in the auction, by scrolling down and clicking ''view all photos''. I was looking at the pics and noticed a pen that is made by Mont Blanc. Just a little strange, because I remember seeing that name, somewhere...
OOOOhhhh, it was here, the last negative by the seller ''OnlineReturns'', before he got naru'd...ok, please don't tell me that this pen, is the same pen and is just circling around and around.:
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=onlinereturns&Dirn=Received+by
I then found an article, where it says this:
''Because of its reliability with online resellers, Liquidity Services is ranked as Paypal's #1 bulk source for inventory"'
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_pwwi/is_200306/ai_mark2200282099
You've got to be kidding me, right? Paypal promotes and sends sellers to Liquidity Services to buy in bulk/lots. The buyers of that junk/fakes, list on ebay. Those sellers are now selling fakes and junk and may not realize it. Paypal refunds the buyer, who purchased the fakes, out of the sellers account. Ebay keeps the sellers listing fees and the final value fees, which is a good amount on the high priced fake designer items. They then have the buyers ship the junk/fakes, BACK to Liquidity Services and then they RESELL it, again in lots, to the next sucker. He then in turn lists it on ebay, who takes the fees AGAIN and the circle just continues.
This is their actual meaning of ''returns' on the liquisation.com website: "Returns were sold to a customer, who then either physically brought the item back to a store or mailed it to a specified location. Reasons for returning a product may not have any correlation to its usefulness."
Heck, this sellers actual name is ''returnresale'' and ALL his items are from DALLAS, TX.
http://www.liquidation.com/auction/search?cmd=seller&username=ReturnResale
Funny how they have a bunch of stuff and then throw in a pair of LV boots, guarantee they are fake!
http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/view?id=1350776&convertTo=USDR
Another one, where they just throw in a LV product, with other junk:
http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/view?id=1536099&convertTo=USDR
This one in barely advertised, just thrown in like the seller has no clue, what it is, making the buyer think they have a steal:
http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/view?id=1350784&convertTo=USDR
This seller was found, after I typed all of the above. I did a search for Vuitton and left the location open. A different seller I noticed came up (Designersforless). Once again, just on a whim, I tried ebay, to see if that name had a match. Funny, there is a member named desingersforless on ebay. They last sold something on May 22, 2008, but before that, no sales back til November. Probably because their feedback was starting to look bad, from all the negs. So, 3 days AFTER the new policies came into affect, they must have noticed that their feedback jumped back up, from the new 12 month rule, where all your past history is wiped clean by ebay. Oh, great she says, let me start scamming again. This is the feedback, from what they listed:
Item purchased was not an authentic RL Polo,bad quality.Seller refuses to refund.
Reply by designersforless (May-23-08 13:21):
Buyer unable to provide proof that shirt is not authenitic.
This seller, has stuff up for sale now...are they all fake? This is a seller to watch and keep and eye on the feedback, to see if there are any more reported ''fakes''. If they sell fake stuff somewhere, they are more than likely going to do it again, somewhere else (Liquidation.com). This is what they have sold on liquidation.com and all are ''AS IS'', which means you are STUCK with it: http://www.liquidation.com/auction/search?cmd=seller&username=designersforless
Are all these FAKE returns, from ebay? Has anyone been asked to ship items, to a California address, where this person sells from? Found out later that YES, people have sent to CA, another location of Liquitity Services Inc.
You can see by the following links, that loads of people are getting ripped of by this company (LSI), because all their lots are, AS IS. I guess they decided that ebay, wasn't working too good and people were noticing the fakes and getting refunds, so they start listing on liquidations.com and then no one can get refunds, because they are ''AS IS'':
http://www.ripoffreport.com/searchresults.asp?q1=ALL&q4=&q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtype=0&submit2=Search%21&q5=liquidity+services
http://www.ripoffreport.com/searchresults.asp?q1=ALL&q4=&q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtype=0&submit2=Search%21&q5=liquidation.com
http://reviews.ebay.com/SELLERS-BEWARE-WholeSaleElectronics-Liquidation-com_W0QQugidZ10000000001193180
http://www.salehoo.com/forum/wholesale-scams/liquidation-com-story-t2912.html
We have now found sellers, who sold authentic items only to be told by the buyer, that it was fake. This one sellers states that the buyer, was an ebay employee????
We really need to get someone to send something back and have it marked, to see if it comes back on ebay or if it's listed on liquidation.com, for resale after it was supposed to be destroyed.
ALL THIS IS JUST TOOOOO COINCIDENTAL!
Liquidity Services Inc. and N.E.W. Customer Service Companies, Inc. have a partnership. NEW recovers an increased revenue stream on the resale of returned merchandise through its partnership with Liquidity Services, Inc. (LSI).
NEW says "Not only does LSI provide us with a quick and easy way for our customers to send in merchandise and receive remittance checks, but the company uses its expertise in the secondary market to resell returned and damaged items for the highest market value."
LSI provides the following services (Notice it says nothing about authentification or destruction)
Pre-paid return mailing label generation and delivery to customer
Receipt and processing of return packages
Online resale of merchandise including marketing, inventory lotting, manifest creation, photographing and creation of online auctions on LSI’s marketplace, www.Liquidation.com
Real-time and transparent reporting throughout entire process
Once packages arrive at the warehouse, LSI begins a comprehensive process to merchandise and resell the returned inventory
through its online auction marketplace. The end-to-end management of this process includes:
ONCE AGAIN, NOTHING ABOUT AUTHENTICATION OR DESTRUCTION
Reconciliation of returned items
Creation of product manifests
Evaluation and lotting of items into size/categories to generate highest return
Photographing of items for display on auction site
Creation and launch of online auction events on LSI’s marketplace, Liquidation.com
Implementation of marketing campaigns to support current auctions
Assisting with buyer questions, shipping information and logistics, and payment collection
Complete and transparent tracking information for each item/ lot sold
See the full page here:
http://www.liquidityservicesinc.com/new_casestudy.pdf
PLEASE READ, IT PRACTICALLY SHOWS THAT EBAY IS INVOLVED!
OK, tell me if this is all, just a coincidence.
The 2 girls, on these 2 message board threads:
http://forum.purseblog.com/ebay-forum/paypal-wants-the-fake-chanel-309773.html
AND
http://forum.purseblog.com/ebay-forum/illegal-mail-counterfeit-items-using-us-postal-service-314559.html
Received fake/knock off items, bought from Ebay. Both were told to send the items to the following address, where they would be ''destroyed''.
Paypal Returns
12750 Perimeter Drive Suite 154
Dallas TX 75228
One girl asked, since it was being destroyed, could they write ''FAKE'' all over it, just so that it was never resold. They were told ''NO'', that it MUST be in the same condition, as it came.
One of the girls happened to look up the address and realized that it belonged to a company named, Liquidity Services Inc.
Liquidity Services inc., is a business surplus reseller. Is ebay giving these buyers a refund, from the sellers account and then taking over ownership of the item and reselling it, for profit, when it is supposed to be destroyed? The website that this company resells from is called http://www.liquidation.com/index.html
This is an email, that one girl got from Paypal, when she filed her claim:
=======================================
A refund on this transaction will be awarded to you once the item, in its original condition, is shipped to the following address:
PayPal Returns
12750 Perimeter Dr Suite 154
Dallas, TX 75228
Attn: Buyer Protection Claims - #PP-************
Make sure to include your case number in the address above.
NOW I'M IN THAT PURSE BLOG AND THIS IS WHAT I POSTED (A question about her email):
Dragonlady, where it says
"Attn: Buyer Protection Claims - #PP-************"
How many numbers, is that PP#? (this will be brought up, farther down)
I was doing a little investigting last night. I went to liquidation.com and was just looking around. I did a blank search and chose the Dallas, TX location, since this is where Paypal is telling people to ship. I also chose ''returns'', for the item condition, to only bring up the returned items.
I noticed several sellers, that sell a LOT of stuff there, so....
On a whim, I decided to see if any of those names, matched up with ebay ID's and this is what I found.
Liquidation.com Seller (Onlinereturns), There just happens to be an ebay seller named ''Onlinereturns''. Lets check their feedback, on toolhaus.org:
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=onlinereturns&Dirn=Received+by
Ok, that must just be a coincidence, this guy is selling FAKE stuff and is now naru'd (Not a registered user).
NEXT:
Liquidation.com Seller (Techexcess) Wow, there is an ebay member, with the same name, as well. Let's check their feedback:
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=techexcess
Hmmm,
Must be another coincidence, that this person is selling all kinds of used/broken junk! (Ebay returns?)
Liquidation.com Seller (ReturnsManager) Out of a feedback score of 18, 10 of them were negs/neuts and they are now naru'd, from ripping people off:
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=returnsmanager
Are all these, just coincidental? Surely they wouldn't use the same name on ebay, would they?
I then typed in Vuitton on the resellers website and chose Dallas as well and came up with this:
http://web.liquidation.com/auction/search?submit=Search&cmd=keyword&words=vuitton&warehouse_id=1&condition_RET=1
If you click on the 4th title down, it takes you here:
http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/view?id=1536075&convertTo=USD
Click on the ''view manifest'' link, next to ''quantity in lot''.
you will get this: http://www.liquidation.com/aucimg/1536/m1536075.html
Notice to the fair right, under notes...what are these numbers? That per chance could not be the ''PayPal case #'' that they were TOLD to include, would it? No way, couldn't be. They would not be that stupid, would they?
You can also look at each pic in the auction, by scrolling down and clicking ''view all photos''. I was looking at the pics and noticed a pen that is made by Mont Blanc. Just a little strange, because I remember seeing that name, somewhere...
OOOOhhhh, it was here, the last negative by the seller ''OnlineReturns'', before he got naru'd...ok, please don't tell me that this pen, is the same pen and is just circling around and around.:
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=onlinereturns&Dirn=Received+by
I then found an article, where it says this:
''Because of its reliability with online resellers, Liquidity Services is ranked as Paypal's #1 bulk source for inventory"'
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_pwwi/is_200306/ai_mark2200282099
You've got to be kidding me, right? Paypal promotes and sends sellers to Liquidity Services to buy in bulk/lots. The buyers of that junk/fakes, list on ebay. Those sellers are now selling fakes and junk and may not realize it. Paypal refunds the buyer, who purchased the fakes, out of the sellers account. Ebay keeps the sellers listing fees and the final value fees, which is a good amount on the high priced fake designer items. They then have the buyers ship the junk/fakes, BACK to Liquidity Services and then they RESELL it, again in lots, to the next sucker. He then in turn lists it on ebay, who takes the fees AGAIN and the circle just continues.
This is their actual meaning of ''returns' on the liquisation.com website: "Returns were sold to a customer, who then either physically brought the item back to a store or mailed it to a specified location. Reasons for returning a product may not have any correlation to its usefulness."
Heck, this sellers actual name is ''returnresale'' and ALL his items are from DALLAS, TX.
http://www.liquidation.com/auction/search?cmd=seller&username=ReturnResale
Funny how they have a bunch of stuff and then throw in a pair of LV boots, guarantee they are fake!
http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/view?id=1350776&convertTo=USDR
Another one, where they just throw in a LV product, with other junk:
http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/view?id=1536099&convertTo=USDR
This one in barely advertised, just thrown in like the seller has no clue, what it is, making the buyer think they have a steal:
http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/view?id=1350784&convertTo=USDR
This seller was found, after I typed all of the above. I did a search for Vuitton and left the location open. A different seller I noticed came up (Designersforless). Once again, just on a whim, I tried ebay, to see if that name had a match. Funny, there is a member named desingersforless on ebay. They last sold something on May 22, 2008, but before that, no sales back til November. Probably because their feedback was starting to look bad, from all the negs. So, 3 days AFTER the new policies came into affect, they must have noticed that their feedback jumped back up, from the new 12 month rule, where all your past history is wiped clean by ebay. Oh, great she says, let me start scamming again. This is the feedback, from what they listed:
Item purchased was not an authentic RL Polo,bad quality.Seller refuses to refund.
Reply by designersforless (May-23-08 13:21):
Buyer unable to provide proof that shirt is not authenitic.
This seller, has stuff up for sale now...are they all fake? This is a seller to watch and keep and eye on the feedback, to see if there are any more reported ''fakes''. If they sell fake stuff somewhere, they are more than likely going to do it again, somewhere else (Liquidation.com). This is what they have sold on liquidation.com and all are ''AS IS'', which means you are STUCK with it: http://www.liquidation.com/auction/search?cmd=seller&username=designersforless
Are all these FAKE returns, from ebay? Has anyone been asked to ship items, to a California address, where this person sells from? Found out later that YES, people have sent to CA, another location of Liquitity Services Inc.
You can see by the following links, that loads of people are getting ripped of by this company (LSI), because all their lots are, AS IS. I guess they decided that ebay, wasn't working too good and people were noticing the fakes and getting refunds, so they start listing on liquidations.com and then no one can get refunds, because they are ''AS IS'':
http://www.ripoffreport.com/searchresults.asp?q1=ALL&q4=&q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtype=0&submit2=Search%21&q5=liquidity+services
http://www.ripoffreport.com/searchresults.asp?q1=ALL&q4=&q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtype=0&submit2=Search%21&q5=liquidation.com
http://reviews.ebay.com/SELLERS-BEWARE-WholeSaleElectronics-Liquidation-com_W0QQugidZ10000000001193180
http://www.salehoo.com/forum/wholesale-scams/liquidation-com-story-t2912.html
We have now found sellers, who sold authentic items only to be told by the buyer, that it was fake. This one sellers states that the buyer, was an ebay employee????
We really need to get someone to send something back and have it marked, to see if it comes back on ebay or if it's listed on liquidation.com, for resale after it was supposed to be destroyed.
ALL THIS IS JUST TOOOOO COINCIDENTAL!
Liquidity Services Inc. and N.E.W. Customer Service Companies, Inc. have a partnership. NEW recovers an increased revenue stream on the resale of returned merchandise through its partnership with Liquidity Services, Inc. (LSI).
NEW says "Not only does LSI provide us with a quick and easy way for our customers to send in merchandise and receive remittance checks, but the company uses its expertise in the secondary market to resell returned and damaged items for the highest market value."
LSI provides the following services (Notice it says nothing about authentification or destruction)
Pre-paid return mailing label generation and delivery to customer
Receipt and processing of return packages
Online resale of merchandise including marketing, inventory lotting, manifest creation, photographing and creation of online auctions on LSI’s marketplace, www.Liquidation.com
Real-time and transparent reporting throughout entire process
Once packages arrive at the warehouse, LSI begins a comprehensive process to merchandise and resell the returned inventory
through its online auction marketplace. The end-to-end management of this process includes:
ONCE AGAIN, NOTHING ABOUT AUTHENTICATION OR DESTRUCTION
Reconciliation of returned items
Creation of product manifests
Evaluation and lotting of items into size/categories to generate highest return
Photographing of items for display on auction site
Creation and launch of online auction events on LSI’s marketplace, Liquidation.com
Implementation of marketing campaigns to support current auctions
Assisting with buyer questions, shipping information and logistics, and payment collection
Complete and transparent tracking information for each item/ lot sold
See the full page here:
http://www.liquidityservicesinc.com/new_casestudy.pdf
# posted by : 9:49 AM
: 9:49 AM
The Key here is to actually obtain evidence that a counterfeit product that was sent to Liquidation.com due to eBay's instructions and it appeared on the website for sale.
This will hold Liquidation.com and possibly eBay liable because they are directly involved with posting the counterfeit products, which is different from their clients posting the counterfeit products on their website. I believe Liquidation.com may be selling the counterfeits in bulk sales.
Get this evidence and you got a case.
If you get this evidence, send me an email at David@ezLawsuits.com
This will hold Liquidation.com and possibly eBay liable because they are directly involved with posting the counterfeit products, which is different from their clients posting the counterfeit products on their website. I believe Liquidation.com may be selling the counterfeits in bulk sales.
Get this evidence and you got a case.
If you get this evidence, send me an email at David@ezLawsuits.com
Has anybody purchased anything off of Liquidation.com I believe all of this is true. I tried to purchase something off of liquidation.com and I got this hassle. I ran my credit card threw, but it kept on saying it was declined. I got in touch with my bank and asked them. The bank said it was good to go. After doing this I notice the payment was going threw pay-pal and everytime it would decline it pay-pal was charging me $1.01 dollars. Now that is not much, but I done this 4 times. Later I read this add and shocking enough I looked at what I bought several times. The pictures never showed me a real item. So now I am wondering what am I buying, could it be old returned items. I am buying goods I don't even know what it looks like. And strange enough it was from one of the sellers that was mentioned, but that same seller has about 1300 other items for sale. So what is going on and who is involved with this. My question is it safe to buy from liquidation.com.
# posted by : 6:18 PM
: 6:18 PM
I believe this I tried to buy something from the liquidation.com and it went to pay pal. well it was saying my card was declined so I called my bank and the bank fixed the problem, but then it keep on doing it. I was trying to make a payment with the same credit card I gave to pay pal. Even thought I was not going threw pay pal. What saved me. every so often at bankofamerica you give them your address and all the other imfo. If you type one thing in that is wrong it will not process so I change the address all the time making it hard to process trans actions.
What I found out is that Liquidation is useing pay pal and your money goes to pay pal first if your account is there. If not you have to open account threw pay pal. I tried to pick up the products myself, but never got a physical address before the sell.
Matter of fact if you are a good seller you should leave your address of your business and phone number. If you are a home based business I believe you might have a hard time selling products.
Who cheats who. I want to know who has bought stuff from Liquidation.
What I found out is that Liquidation is useing pay pal and your money goes to pay pal first if your account is there. If not you have to open account threw pay pal. I tried to pick up the products myself, but never got a physical address before the sell.
Matter of fact if you are a good seller you should leave your address of your business and phone number. If you are a home based business I believe you might have a hard time selling products.
Who cheats who. I want to know who has bought stuff from Liquidation.
# posted by : 7:15 PM
: 7:15 PM
I have purchased 50-100 pallets of goods from LSI, mostly electronics. I have had only 1 issue with this, I received several cases printer toner that arrived in the OEM boxes and appeared legit, and when they were opened found them to be re-manufactured, knockoffs in newly sealed bags. Upon closer inspection, the boxes had been opened from the bottom, toner units replaced and resealed with fakes cartridges. I still have the units.
# posted by : 2:13 PM
: 2:13 PM
I have actaully bought stuff from liquidation.com on more than one occassion but you really have to scrutinize what you are buying because I think there is alot of knock merchandise on that site, and even the stuff you get that is supposed to be brand new and legit merchandise is sometimes packaged incorrectly so its damaged by the time its get to you. The company was always willing to work with me if I didn't like the merchandise or if it was damaged. But for the most part I would not buy any big ticket items that I could not see before hand. I usually buy shelf pulls such as xbox and ps3 games that are still sealed. Never buy anything that has been used or is said to be refurbished especially electronics, those are cheaper to get brand new.
But for the most part you just have to shop from that site with care. Its not that you cant find a good deal its to be weary of certain things on there just like you would any other site.
But for the most part you just have to shop from that site with care. Its not that you cant find a good deal its to be weary of certain things on there just like you would any other site.
# posted by : 2:31 PM
: 2:31 PM
Here is what happened to me.
I initially purchased a 20" IMAC on an online auction with Liquidation.com I paid 1026.19 for it. The auction listing shows that it was a return (should have been listed as a salvage) It was damaged and wouldn't power on. By the request of Liquidation.com i did not open the unit to determine if it was something i could fix or not. I decided to file a dispute which was quickly denied. I submitted pictures showing the damage. Once my claim was denied, i opened up the unit to find that there was NO HARD DRIVE in the unit. The listing says that it is a 20" IMAC with a 2.4ghz processor and a 320gb hard drive. I feel that liquidation.com is grossly misrepresenting their auctions in order to receive higher bids on their items.
what a company. Ethics are thrown out the window and there is nothing anyone will do about it.
I initially purchased a 20" IMAC on an online auction with Liquidation.com I paid 1026.19 for it. The auction listing shows that it was a return (should have been listed as a salvage) It was damaged and wouldn't power on. By the request of Liquidation.com i did not open the unit to determine if it was something i could fix or not. I decided to file a dispute which was quickly denied. I submitted pictures showing the damage. Once my claim was denied, i opened up the unit to find that there was NO HARD DRIVE in the unit. The listing says that it is a 20" IMAC with a 2.4ghz processor and a 320gb hard drive. I feel that liquidation.com is grossly misrepresenting their auctions in order to receive higher bids on their items.
what a company. Ethics are thrown out the window and there is nothing anyone will do about it.
i have purchased from liquidation.com on more than one occassion and the one thing i have learned is that you need to research and review very carefully what it is you are buying BEFORE you bid on it. shipping charges are disclosed in the auction description. NEVER, EVER rely on what the seller is telling you something is worth. it is up to you to do the research before the box shows up on your doorstep. with that said, there are plenty of vendors on liquidatio.com trying to rip people off. you just have to be smarter than them!!
aigh. i just sold a purse on ebay and the buyer claim its an imitation and paypal favors the buyer and i had to give full refund and the shipping and i got nothing back....??
paypal is really an asss
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